crazymaryt replied to your post “Let me tell you why my OTP is problematic (and why i still ship it)”
I don’t even follow this but I love how passionate you are about this!
awww XD yeah i had a sleepless night and am now on my 26th hour awake because this bothered me LOL and it’s been bothering me for quite some time now i think it shows. i just had to get it out
Let me tell you why my OTP is problematic (and why i still ship it)
A victor and a capitol citizen? Caring about each other?? Must be stockholm syndrome… if they shared a bed it’s surely because money was involved… capitol citizens eww ewww! mixing with the enemy, Impossible! he hates her… she thinks he’s disgusting… he puked on her shoes! they call each other names! He even left her to her own sad destiny in the capitol when they escaped to 13, he clearly doesn’t give a damn about her… it would be like constantly reminding him of his trauma, he could never even touch her with a 10 foot pole! Nor would she since he made himself unapproachable with his poor hygiene and bad manners!
All of this i heard more or less explicitly during my year in this fandom and i must tell you it sounds pretty spot on, right? Canon even.
Except not really.
Haymitch’s poor hygiene and alcoholism are a direct consequence of his trauma in the arena, the loss of his family and the continuous abuse he suffered through the years. He has no other way to deal with it. His anger, his rage, his self loath, everything remains unresolved. There is no way out of the games. But he’s smart enough to know who the enemy is… the real enemy.
Which is not Effie Trinket, it turns out.
As a capitol citizen, Effie grew up to know about the world only what the capitol wanted her to know: propaganda. As a capitol citizen Effie must have felt like every district kid brought into the arena was an uncivilized, unrepentant, dirty animal-like source of entertainment… until they prove their worth, that is. Think roman empire gladiators here, slaves vs lions, tigers, think dog fights, think corridas, think robots vs robots if you like, that’s the kind of spirit she approaches the games. Inhuman to think about with children, i know. Still, Effie, unlike most capitol citizens, travels through the country to get to 12 every year and she sees the reality that is the district life, the starvation, the misery… and chooses to look the other way. Despicable, right? It comes with the job.
Because Effie’s job is not one you can get out so easily: there is no way out of the games, remember? Why do you think rebels come from the capitol entertainment industry?! (Plutarch, Cressida, Cinna…) because they’ve seen too much! They know the lies and there is no way out of the games as Seneca Crane got to experience first hand: no mistakes are allowed! Effie is certainly not a brave advocate for justice, she is afraid to even speak her mind to an empty room… (it’s in the books, read them). She is trained to even and set discrepancies, she’s to cheer up the mood, she’s to make everyone look on the bright side, be positive, make the best of it… make them like you.
So Effie chooses to look the other way and do her job as best she can. Her job consisting on PRing for district 12 tributes, basically. While haymitch is in charge of their preparation for the arena, effie helps them to present themselves to the capitol which is equally important. She starts as soon as they are on the train…Wouldn’t it mean that Effie actually cares about her tributes? Probably not… they’re savages… they eat with their hands! The previous year kids ate with their hands and they’re dead now… what Effie is actually teaching Katniss and Peeta is not how to sit straight and smile on camera but to follow the rules of the game. It’s a television show, play it by the rules and you get out alive, not unscathered but… better than dead!
Effie doesn’t want her kids to die in the arena every year, how fucking uncool it is to never ever have a victor?!! Doesn’t it look like you can’t do your job? So Effie tries her best and Haymitch surprisingly works with her.
Yes, they work together. As one mind apparently (it’s in the book, did you read that?)
They have a common goal so it’s totally normal for people who hate each other to still be able to work together I suppose, the life of 2 teenagers is at stake after all!
So they must put up with each other… what a torture… there is a point in forced cooperation in which you either snap or resign yourself and I think haymitch and effie chose the latter for the sake of their tributes: they accepted the other, found common ground and started anew. That’s when Haymitch must have found out Effie was not the enemy after all… she’s just part of the system like he is, she’s not even actively inventing new and atrocious ways to kill kids like gamemakers are (like plutarch, remember plutarch? Head Gamemaker… the one pulling the strings to get katniss in the arena so she could be either a martyr or the face of the rebellion… the only one getting out of the war completely untouched and still head of his entertainment empire), Effie instead is committed to help the kids the only way she knows how: prepping them, finding sponsors, playing the game by its rules.
Not the enemy then… but still capitol. And capitol is disgusting, with its shallowness and its fakeness, its blindness and exploitation… it’s very problematic, true. All true, but capitol citizens are all but regular people underneath the makeup and i find it hard to believe someone as perceptive a character as Haymitch to not find something of interest about Effie… if only learning the capitol ways! Know who you’re facing before you can think up ways to defeat them… right?!! and they bicker and mock each other like an old married couple, wow, i’ve never heard of that in ships… Even Katniss likes Effie in the end, and they didn’t even knew each other for as long as Haymitch! When you learn to know someone they stop being part of a group to acquire their own identity.
At the end of the day, Effie is not just another capitol monster, she finds a way to tell them they mean more to her than the system by arranging matching tokens. It’s not something to overlook because it does scream ‘i’m with you rather than the games/snow’ without exposing herself to drastic consequences like Cinna did… Cinna the martyr… the one who effectively transformed Katniss in the symbol of the rebellion… the one actively trying to put her in the spotlight without her consent… look at that! Haymitch and Effie trying to keep Katniss and Peeta alive and Cinna and Plutarch trying to get them killed! Well someone had to start a revolution so they had to find a volunteer… right?
The fact Effie is still alive after the war is not a miracle, she took careful steps in the right direction, but she acted accordingly to her character: Not a warrior, not an activist, but still taking sides. Haymitch must have recognized that or else why try his best to keep her alive? As far as we know, the only escort still alive…
Doesn’t prove it’s love.
That’s when i ask you: WTF DO YOU CARE IF I THINK IT IS?
Because honestly, we are talking about a non canon ship here and i don’t see any other canon ship involving Haymitch since his girl is long gone and he locks himself in his house drinking his life away…
oh wait, you actually think he’s totally smitten with Johanna or Katniss and they would be perfect together because they’ve both gone through the same horrors etc etc… or Effie would be so not interested in a victor but instead would be great for Seneca! Or Cinna! or Plutarch!!! Why not… both alive, both capitol, he was even interested in her well being in the end… or you’re so progressive to turn two canonically straight chara into having gay sex because they’re two exploited victors and etc etc…
Keep sweeping in some poorly hidden passive aggressive jabs at my ‘problematic’ OTP in the crapp tag but… what do we really have here? So progressive you can only think up pairings within the same social circles… good lord in panem on a stick forbid the sin of a capitol/district love despite all odds because it’s too out of the box for a dystopian world!
So yes, my OTP is problematic and that’s exactly why i ship it.
[insert gif of katniss bowing with the caption: thank you for your consideration here]
Lord Jesus. It’s a fire!
Penguin falls down resulting in best sound ever [x]
oh my god
they all gasped like OHHH
IM CRYING IM PHYSICALLY CRYING HE FALLS AND THERE ALL LIKE WHAAAAWHOA U OK BRO AND HE GETS UP LIKE *SIGH* YEAH ITS FINE
THIS IS SO IMPORTANT